The CCP’s Greatest Insecurity—and America’s Greatest Weapon | Sam Brownback
American Thought Leaders
The Epoch Times
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🗓️ 13 May 2026
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
It’s time to fundamentally rethink America’s approach to the Chinese Communist Party, argues Sam Brownback, former U.S. senator, Kansas governor, U.S. ambassador-at-large for international religious freedom, and author of the new book “China’s War on Faith.”
Ahead of President Donald Trump’s high-stakes summit with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing, I’m sitting down with Brownback to understand what’s really at stake and why he believes America is wasting the greatest leverage it has had.
“I think we’ve just got to recognize: ... This is an evil regime. They’ve killed more of their own people than any other regime in the history of mankind, and we’ve been treating them like a normal country,” Brownback says.
Brownback lays out the case that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is currently conducting three genocides—against the Uyghur Muslims, Falun Gong practitioners, and Tibetan Buddhists—through mass detention, torture, cultural eradication, and forced organ harvesting. At the same time, the regime is escalating its war on Christianity, arresting pastors, and crushing underground churches, Brownback says.
Now, the CCP is also exporting the technologies it uses to surveil and persecute dissidents to at least 80 other countries, he says.
For decades, human rights and religious freedom has been a “red line” for the Chinese regime that American leaders and diplomats have tiptoed around.
But the reality is that human rights and religious freedom are the CCP’s deepest vulnerability and insecurity—and America’s most potent weapon and leverage against this regime, Brownback argues.
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| 0:00.0 | We just got to recognize this is an evil regime. |
| 0:03.0 | They've killed more of their own people than any other regime in the history of mankind, |
| 0:07.0 | and we've been treating them like a normal country. |
| 0:09.0 | Ahead of President Trump's visit to China, I'm sitting down with Sam Brownback, |
| 0:14.0 | former ambassador, governor, and senator, and author of the new book, China's War on Faith. |
| 0:20.0 | Human rights, when it comes to the Chinese regime, |
| 0:22.7 | are basically the no-go zone publicly, aren't they? |
| 0:26.1 | This is a strategy of the Chinese Communist Party, |
| 0:29.5 | and it's one that we should turn around |
| 0:33.6 | and use as an offensive tool against them. |
| 0:36.5 | After decades in public service, |
| 0:38.8 | Brownback says he's now confronting the biggest beast of his career. |
| 0:43.0 | They've built a satellite set of countries, |
| 0:45.5 | and they're exporting this digital authoritarianism technology |
| 0:49.2 | to at least 80 different countries that we've tracked. |
| 0:52.3 | They are at war with us, |
| 0:55.8 | whether we realize we're at war with them or not. This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Janja Kellick. Sam Brownback, such a pleasure |
| 1:04.2 | to have you on American Thought Leaders. Thanks, Sean. It's great to be back with you. And I always enjoy |
| 1:09.1 | our conversations and how we look at the world and some of the huge dangers in the world today. I just, I appreciate you're willing to surface them and to shine a light on it for people. |
| 1:21.6 | Well, huge congratulations on today's launch of China's War on Faith, your new book. Before we go, |
| 1:29.3 | talking about it, let's talk about the visit of President Trump to China, meeting with Xi Jinping. |
| 1:36.9 | Do you expect that human rights issues might be raised there? |
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