You have about half of America on an app that is controlled by our greatest geopolitical adversary today.

They covertly leverage the openness of true democracies to degrade and weaken us, they do it to tear us apart.

Michael Sobelik is a senior fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council and author of

countering China's great game a strategy for American dominance.

For years America has been playing defense he says.

To win Cold Wars you have to go on the offensive.

Where am I strong? Where are they weak?

And how do I move the competition to that terrain?

This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yanya Kelleck.

Michael Sobelik, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Thanks for having me, Yon. It's great to be here.

We're here to talk about your new book, countering China's great game. You actually

played a very significant role. I was watching you very closely in social media and some email,

advocating for the Tik-Toc bill. It was passed. There's still a lot of

people that have concerns but I know you're a big First Amendment guy, people

that have concerns from that aspect. But tell me a little bit about how this may fit into China's

great game. You can take the staffer out of the hill, but you can't take the hill out of

the staffer. So I was the of the staffer.

So I was previously in the Senate for five years

and wrote a whole bunch of legislation

and pushed legislation through the congressional process

and everything that that entails.

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