My guest is Howard Goodall.

Howard Goodall is an Emmy Brit and BAFTA award-winning composer of choral music, stage musicals, film and TV scores.

He is also a distinguished music historian, writer and broadcaster.

And in recent years, he has been England's first ever national ambassador for singing,

the classical Brit composer of the year, and was

classic FM's composer in residence for six years. Welcome to the podcast, Howard.

Thank you, Paul. Very nice to be here. Well, we're here to talk about the impact of Brexit

on the creative sector of the UK, and maybe by way setting the scene, since many people listen to

this podcast will not be familiar with some of the detail. Maybe he could set the scene, since many people listen to this podcast, will not be

familiar with some of the detail, maybe he could set the scene by reminding us the importance

of touring and festivals for the UK's creative sector.

Well, I think even before that, it might be worth reminding people that I know it may seem

to lots of ordinary folk going about their lives, that music is a lovely luxury

they can have and they can put on the music on the radio at any time and listen to music

pretty much free or stream it for free. And what's happened over the last 15 years is that

music's gone from being something that everybody paid for to something that nobody pays for

pretty much.

And so times have had to change. And so performing live, for example, has become a much more

important part of any musician's livelihood than it was, say, in the 1970s or 1980s, when you could

sell records, make things in studios and still have a living. But what's

happened is all over the world, not just here, but all over the world, performing live, selling

stuff at your concerts, being there in person has become the way that people make a living

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