Before we get to the interview, I just wanted to give you an update because there's a lot of breaking news going on, which had not happened at the time we recorded the interview.

And please, stay tuned after this breaking news to hear the interview with Will Lowry and Jessica Blum, which is terrific.

But you may have heard this news.

There have been two big breaking stories with legal issues involving direct action everywhere.

One really bad, one mixed, but basically good.

I'll start with a really bad one.

Zoe Rosenberg has been convicted of conspiracy and trespassing for her rescue of four chickens.

And you're probably familiar with this case.

You probably heard our interview with Zoe.

But we really had high hopes. She was really well represented. And of course, the court made some terrible

rulings, not allowing her to bring her primary defense, which is pretty disastrous. And of course,

there will be an appeal. But my heart is breaking. I mean, it's just to be living in a world where Donald Trump is president and Zoe Rosenberg might go to prison for rescuing.

Unbelievably abused chickens is just, what could I say?

There'll be more news about this upcoming, but I just wanted to give you a heads up.

The other piece of news, which is actually not perfect, but is good news, is that you may have heard,

you might be familiar with the investigation by DXE of Ridgeland Farm.

I think it's called Richland Farms.

It's this dog breeding facility and research facility in Wisconsin.

Their main business is breeding dogs and selling them.

Beagles, of course, because they use beagles in research.

And they also do some research on their own.

There was a huge investigation, and there was going to be a prosecution.

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