Welcome to the Animal Law Podcast.

This is Mary Ann Sullivan.

I am so pleased to welcome Sarah Berenhout and John Greyle.

It was Greyle, right?

Correct.

I asked him two seconds ago,

how to pronounce his name.

And they're going to be discussing this First Amendment case that is currently pending

before the Fifth Circuit.

And it really, it really gets right to the heart,

at least in my mind, it gets right to the heart of whether what we do to

animals is so horrible.

We shouldn't ever be allowed to show

it to people or tell them about it. I mean, I think that's really what's, at least for me,

that's what's going on here. It's a fascinating case. Just a quick reminder before we get there

about the Our Henhouse podcast, Rising Anxieties comes out on Tuesdayuesdays the hen report on thursdays the long-form

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sarah berenhout is an attorney with fire, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression,

and John Greil co-teaches the Law and Religion Clinic at the University of Texas Law School.

So we've got the real experts here.

And he's also an active trial level in appellate litigator.

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