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Today, Explained

The case for renting forever

Today, Explained

Vox

Daily News, Politics, News

4.49.5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 November 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Housing prices aren't coming down, and that's challenging us to redefine the American dream. Maybe renting isn't so bad? This story was supported by a grant from Arnold Ventures. The episode was produced by Miles Bryan and Kelli Wessinger, edited by Jenny Lawton, fact-checked by Melissa Hirsch, engineered by Patrick Boyd and Adriene Lilly, and hosted by Jonquilyn Hill. Image of homes in Hercules, California by David Paul Morris/Bloomberg via Getty Images.  If you have a question, give us a call on 1-800-618-8545 or send us a note here. Listen to Explain It to Me ad-free by becoming a Vox Member: vox.com/members.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Right now the internet feels like it's's changing maybe faster than it ever has.

0:42.9

We have huge companies going through these big lawsuits about whether they get to keep being huge companies.

0:50.6

We have companies big and small making giant bets on AI, and we have an internet that just feels different to be on as a regular person.

0:59.4

This week on the Vergecast, we're talking about all of the ways that the internet has changed and what we as users and people in the world might be able to do about it. That's the Vergecast wherever you get podcasts. I brought it up to you and was like, well, what would

1:05.6

you think if we moved in together? People who haven't bought yet, like me, feel like they may never be able to.

1:13.1

Pomotorship, overrated. That's my take.

1:17.8

Hi, thanks, they're here. All right. Oh, hi. Hi.

1:21.1

The other day, my producer, Kelly and I went to a quiet residential neighborhood in D.C.

1:26.7

to visit NPR host Aisha Roscoe.

1:30.1

It's a two-story white and brick home with a front and backyard and pumpkins out on the porch.

1:37.8

Inside, it shoes off, homework out, Aisha's sprinkling Old Bay on salmon for dinner.

1:43.3

I need food. I need a fool.

1:45.6

I can be a little skeptical of the American dream, but honestly, when I look at Ayesha, she's living it.

1:57.5

She has a great job, an active social life, and she lives in her own home that's

2:03.4

full of people she cares about and that care for her. And the key to it all, her best friend.

2:12.3

That's Jasmine Melvin. She and Aisha met back in college when they both worked at the student

2:17.8

newspaper. Flash forward 15 years and between the two of them they have five kids

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