The Case for Hope, With Rebecca Solnit

The Science of Happiness

PRX and Greater Good Science Center

Social Sciences, Science

4.5 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

We explore how embracing uncertainty enables us to move beyond climate anxiety and despair to hope and action, with author and activist Rebecca Solnit.

Summary: When you think about climate change, do you feel hope? In this episode of The Science of Happiness, we examine what it means to feel hopeful for the future of our planet. Renowned writer and activist Rebecca Solnit shares why she loves uncertainty, what gives her hope, and how hope empowers her. Later, we hear from climate scientist Patrick Gonzalez about why he believes climate hope is scientifically sound, and how much power we truly have to create meaningful change.

How To Do This Practice:

Acknowledge the hard stuff: Hope doesn’t come from ignoring reality, it begins with honesty. Naming the fears, grief, or overwhelm we feel about climate change and life’s challenges.
Remember uncertainty leads to possibility: Despair often assumes the future is fixed. But history is full of surprises and turning points. When we leave space for uncertainty, we leave space for possibility.
Focus on progress, not perfection: Every step forward matters. Clean energy expanding, policies shifting, communities protecting what they love. Small and large wins alike fuel the feedback loop between hope and action.
Nourish yourself with beauty, awe, and joy: A sunrise, music, dancing, kindness, or the courage of others can all awaken something bigger in us. Awe quiets despair and helps us see new ways forward.
Connect with others: Hope grows when it’s shared. Joining movements, communities, or simply leaning on friends creates a sense of belonging and power. Together, the ants can move the elephant.
Practice hope daily: Some days hope comes easily; other days it doesn’t. That’s normal. Journaling, noticing progress, limiting bad news, and showing up in community are all ways to keep practicing.

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Today’s Guests:

REBECCA SOLNIT is an author, activist, and historian. She has written over 20 books on Western and Indigenous history, feminism, social change, hope, and disaster.

Learn more about Rebecca Solnit here: http://rebeccasolnit.net/

PATRICK GONZALEZ is a climate change scientist and forest ecologist at the University of California, Berkeley.

Learn more about Patrick Gonzalez here: http://www.patrickgonzalez.net/

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0:00.0	Hope is the thing that keeps you going when things get tough.
0:07.0	Hope involves anticipating a good future that we think is possible and we really want to be true,
0:16.0	and that isn't 100% within our control. It's good for a mental health.
0:22.6	It's good for general attitude.
0:24.6	I have to be honest, I do feel hopeless sometimes
0:28.6	because I see the effects of climate change.
0:32.6	I mean, I live in California, and I see it.
0:35.6	Sometimes you wake up and you feel hopeful and sometimes you don't.
0:40.3	And just because you don't on a certain day doesn't mean you can't get there.
0:44.3	But I think those are things that have to be taught.
0:47.3	You know, we're not just born knowing how.
0:51.3	Otherwise, how would we make progress? How would we make advancements if we didn't have this hope
0:59.0	to give our lives purpose and meaning progress and hope create a self-reinforcing feedback for positive change
1:08.9	there is no such thing also about my hope or yours, but rather what we are sharing.
1:16.2	Hope is the heart of all movements for meaningful change.
1:20.9	It's like asking a whale if it needs water. I mean, yeah, of course we need help.
1:36.3	I'm Dacker Keltner. Welcome to the Science of Happiness.
1:40.3	On every episode of our show, we talk about things we can do to improve our own well-being
1:45.0	and our relationships with others.
1:48.0	And the science behind why practices like gratitude journaling, mindful breathing, or going out in nature,
1:54.0	are so effective.
1:56.0	Now we're expanding the science of happiness to our broader community, our ecosystem,
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