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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

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🗓️ 18 December 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Jonah Goldberg has been feeling censored by the tyranny of Sarah Isgur lately, so he’s decided to bring in the big guns: Greg Lukianoff, the president and CEO of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE). Greg and Jonah discuss the current state of free speech writ large, the legal distinction between defamation and free expression as it relates to artificial intelligence and deepfakes, and what it really means to defend morally reprehensible speech. Plus: a closer investigation into the intellectual history of the destruction of free speech and Greg’s evaluation of Elon’s Twitter takeover. Show Notes: —Greg’s recent piece for The Dispatch —Learn more about FIRE —Greg’s Substack —FIRE’s college free speech rankings The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including Jonah’s G-File newsletter, weekly livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Ladies and gentlemen,
0:04.0	Can I please have your attention?
0:18.0	Can you digger?
0:27.7	Greetings, dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant Podcast, brought to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media.
0:33.1	Some context for you.
0:34.8	I was later for this recording than I have ever been for any remnant I have
0:38.6	ever done and I hated it. And I had to fight through traffic, but it's been an absolutely crazy
0:43.0	day. So this was a little shorter and more truncated than I wanted it to be. I think we got a lot
0:48.2	of great stuff in. We had and Greg Lukianov, who's the head of fire, was a real trooper about it, but he had a
0:55.2	heart out. So again, if I didn't get to something, we will definitely have him back and we
0:59.0	all get to all of it. For those of you don't know, he's the, he's a bestselling offer.
1:03.5	He is the CEO, president's CEO of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Exp expression or fire. You may have heard their ads on here. He is the author of
1:11.9	unlearning liberty, campus censorship and the end of American debate, freedom from speech,
1:17.3	and fires guide to free speech on campus. He co-authored the coddling of the American mind,
1:22.2	how good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a generation of failure. He's got a great
1:27.0	substack call, I believe,
1:29.2	the eternally radical idea. If you go to substack and search for Greg Likanov, you'll find it.
1:33.8	And he's got one of the great radio voices and all of podcasting. So with that, we'll just get
1:39.8	started. Greg Ligiano, thank you so much for returning to The Remnant. Yeah, it's great to be back on. Good seeing you. Good to see you. So, why don't we just do some level setting here while I get my wits about me? What is the health of free speech in America today? Like, if you're giving a report card, how would you do it? Oh, man, I'm quite worried about the state of free speech. I mean, that's my job is to worry about the state of free speech.
2:03.5	It's why I went to law school in the first place.
2:06.2	But I'd say probably my biggest concern is the lack of a clear constituency for free speech for all on either the right or the left.
2:16.5	And I think that when free speech becomes a value
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