Just today, I tried to install Google Meet.

I had an interview for something and the dialogue boxes that were popping up, notifications, contacts.

Then I asked for access to my fitness activity.

I was like, what does Google Meat need my fitness activity for?

Like, ridiculous the things they're trying to grab.

Music they're trying to grab. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation magazine. I'm your host,

Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Casey Johnston. Casey is the creator of the She's a Beast

newsletter and the author of a physical education, how I escaped diet culture and gained the power

of lifting. A piece Casey wrote about making a do-it-yourself dumb phone came on my radar recently, and then I

started digging in further, reading about some things that she had written about social media

use and how she was changing, how she used these technologies that so many of us are so dependent on.

Now, of course, Casey was someone who had been on my radar for years going back to when she was

writing for the

outline. But I admittedly hadn't read so much of her work on fitness. And as I was digging into

these pieces about smartphones and social media, I was fascinated not just by what she was writing

about, you know, those issues that are very important to listeners of this show, but also how

she was bringing that together with her focus on

fitness and health and the kinds of issues she's writing about primarily these days. And so I thought

that this would make a really fascinating conversation because I'm also at a moment where I'm trying

to rethink the types of digital services and platforms that I'm using and depending on to try to get off ones that

are based in the United States specifically.

But, you know, also just thinking more broadly, you know, as I have been approaching this,

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