The “Caracas Like a Hurricane” Special Venezuela Edition
Rational Security
The Lawfare Institute
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 8 January 2026
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Benjamin Wittes, Natalie Orpett, and Molly Roberts for a special deep-dive into the intervention in Venezuela, including:
- “A Hop, Skip, and Jump Across the Rubicon.” This past weekend, the Trump administration took the step that Trump has been threatening for months: he deployed special operations to capture Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro and bring him to the United States for criminal prosecution. The targeted operation was only hours long and resulted in no American fatalities, though more than 70 people in Venezuela were reportedly killed. The Trump administration has described it as a “law enforcement” operation. But what was it really? And where did he get the authority to do it?
- “A Truly Extraordinary Rendition.” By Monday, Maduro and his wife were in New York being arraigned on an array of drug- and weapons-related conspiracy charges. But prosecuting a head of state—albeit one not recognized by the United States—presents certain unique challenges. How should we expect the criminal case to proceed?
- “Running in Place.” President Trump has asserted that he and his advisers are now going to “run” Venezuela. But he’s left Maduro’s deputy, Delcy Rodríguez, in place, in lieu of the opposition movement the United States and many other countries have recognized as Venezuela’s legitimate government. Trump and his advisers seem intent on dictating terms to Venezuela through the “leverage” provided them by the ongoing quarantine over Venezuela’s oil, and potentially the threat of additional military action. But can this light-touch strategy succeed?
In object lessons, (notably Chicagoan) Natalie delights in her long-standing admiration of The New Yorker with Netflix’s documentary “The New Yorker at 100.” Molly approaches Trump’s takeover of D.C. golf courses with a pitch for Knotty by Nature’s wooden putters. Scott honors the 5th anniversary of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol with a recommendation of Ellie Silverman’s moving profile of Nathan Tate in the Washington Post. And Ben honors the same anniversary with both a revisiting of Lawfare's narrative podcast series The Aftermath, and, relatedly, a surprise interview by Holly Berkley Fletcher with one of the attack’s most infamous perpetrators.
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| 0:00.0 | Molly, I feel like you and I can sympathize in that we are, you know, people with really common |
| 0:05.7 | name, just why I invited the wrong Molly R initially to this Ratt Tech recording apologies. |
| 0:10.6 | If it makes you feel any better, I am like only the seventh or eighth notable Scott Anderson, |
| 0:15.7 | who even works on the same stuff that I work on, like Middle East National Security stuff, |
| 0:19.3 | which is why I throw that middle initial everywhere. Maybe we just need to start putting your middle initial right in the |
| 0:24.0 | middle of the Molly R to keep it. You can be Molly SR or something like that. |
| 0:28.2 | It would be Molly L-R, but I really haven't had much of a problem before now with the |
| 0:34.5 | Molly confusion. When I run into other Mollies, they're usually not humans. They're |
| 0:38.1 | usually dogs. I think it's a more common dog name than a human name. I took a quiz based on |
| 0:44.0 | data at some point where I wrote in Molly and it said, this is a dog name, not a human name. |
| 0:50.3 | Oh, no. I'm a human, I swear. |
| 1:03.1 | I have had the weird experience over the course of my lifetime of having an uncommon name that became a super common name. |
| 1:06.8 | I didn't know other Benjamins when I was a child. |
| 1:10.3 | And then now everybody seems to be named Ben. |
| 1:19.4 | And so I sort of feel like, I don't know if I was the thin edge of a wedge, you know, or if everybody got named after me or what. |
| 1:28.0 | But I sort of feel like I went from having an unusual name to having a really ordinary name, and I don't like it. |
| 1:30.1 | It's like the great Ben Franklin revival. I think you should just assume that they're all named after you in honor of Benjamin Wittes. |
| 1:34.8 | That's the logical conclusion. |
| 1:37.4 | I've never met a dog named Benjamin. |
| 1:39.0 | I think I'd like to, but I don't like dog names that are people named. |
| 1:42.6 | Well, of course. |
| 1:44.5 | Of course, wait a minute. |
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