Welcome to The Lost Debate, a show for Political Eclectics. This is Ricky Schlaught.

And when you're listening to this, it is not currently October 17th, but when you hear it, it will be.

And that will be the day that our book is finally out. You've heard me chit-chat quite a lot about this book that I've supposedly been writing.

And now you can actually see it in the flesh if you

order it on Amazon or Barnes & Noble or wherever else you might buy your book. And you'll notice that

Robbie is not here with me today as I'm doing the intro. And instead, I'm here with Greg Lukianoff,

who is the president and CEO of Fire. And I have the great honor of being able to say also my

co-author on the book. So, hi, Greg. Great to chat with you, Ricky. And it was the great honor of being able to say also my co-author on the book. So,

hi, Greg.

Great to chat with you, Ricky. And it was really great to get to work with you.

There are a lot of people when I, I remember telling Jonathan Rauch that I was writing with a,

you know, then 21-year-old. And he gave me this look like, what was wrong with you?

And I'm like, no, she's spectacular. And we really work well together. And I don't think, I think this team up produced a really accessible, really entertaining, but also, you know, well-researched and troubling book.

It's definitely true.

I think nonfiction writing is kind of an art form, popular nonfiction writing is kind of an art form of itself. So you want to

make it engaging. But of course, you know, the actual topic can be depressing sometimes. Absolutely. And I have to say, having done the audiobook, which I've said a few times before, but it was like reading it for the first time. It's just really weird to go from top to bottom. but it is like a really bummer book in a certain way.

But then also, we do a nice job really bummer book in a certain way. But then also,

we do a nice job, I think, in my own opinion, and if I can chew our horns a little bit,

of having these kind of like very discrete case studies of cancel culture going awry in certain

institutions, but then also like having restorative, reformative solutions-oriented chapters as well.

But I should say before we get too deep into the weeds, for those who've not been following this saga,

our book is called The Canceling of the American Mind.

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