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pleasure. We hope you enjoy it. Well this is one of my favorite views because it's just absolutely stunning, you know, when you look out through the orchards, which look incredibly like a vineyard,

absolutely stunning.

But you could be in France, couldn't we?

Yeah, you could, you could.

I'm really surprised they're not, the trees aren't taller,

surprised they're not as gnarly as I'd expect,

they're very short, very squat.

I'm in an orchard in the middle of Hampshire which is a tad unusual for me because I'm a brewer. I don't know anything about apples.

So you were imagining a really traditional orchard with sort of

wonderfully romantic and all the rest of it,

whereas we grow these on espaliate, if you like, on wires,

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