Tonight acts of defiance not seen in a generation.

Massive protests spreading across China the largest since Tiananmen Square.

I really think that's the government's policy against the COVID.

It's like too strict and it's violating our rights as a common human.

Do you think people are afraid? Are you afraid?

I'm not afraid.

It's Monday, November 28, 2022 and welcome back to Goodfellows,

a Hoover Institution broadcast examining social, economic, political, and geopolitical concerns.

I'm Bill Whalen. I'm a Hoover Distinguished Policy Fellow. I'll be your moderator today.

Looking forward to a spirited conversation between our three Goodfellows, as we call them.

That would be the historian Neil Ferguson, the economist John Cochran, the geostrategist, Lieutenant General, HR McMaster.

They are Hoover Institution's senior fellows, all.

And gentlemen, let's begin this broadcast with a confession for me, your humble moderator.

I am lazy. I came with no topic in mind today, so I am throwing the ball in your respective courts.

I've asked each of you to come prepared with the topic you'd like to bring up. John Cochran, since you go by last name alphabetically, even your trade economist comes before

geo-stratage and historian.

I'll let you do the honors you lead off.

Well, I turned that around and said, come prepared with a question to ask of your fellow good fellows.

And so I'll ask you guys who know more about it than I do, what's going on with China and COVID protests and so forth?

Well, Neil spent a lot more time that I did there. So, Neil, you should take this first.

Take it, Neil. Well, it's remarkable as somebody who spent five years as a visiting professor at Tsinghua to see protests on the Tsinghua campus. That's one of the two big

universities in Beijing near a building that I know well. And those protests are more than merely

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