Welcome Perfect Scam listeners. This is our bonus episode. You probably remember this from past seasons. This episode is a little bit different, a little bit more relaxed, a little bit more fun. And for today we have a really really special guest we

have Brett Johnson who the US Secret Service once called the original

Internet Godfather because he did a lot of things including founding

the notorious Shadow crew which a lot of folks think of basically as the early

dark web it was one of the first places that credit card thieves and other fraudsters

swapped secrets and swapped money. That was until the Secret Service shut it down and shut down Brett,

way back in 2004.

Also here today are producers Julie Geets and Megan De Magnus.

You don't hear from them often, but they work really hard to bring you these podcasts,

so we're letting them in on the fun today.

Brett, we're very glad to have you here today and I know you've done a lot of things since all that

happened so why don't you just tell our listeners what you are up to now.

Sure, so fortunately I'm not breaking the law anymore.

Turns out that when you stop breaking the law, law enforcement turns out to be pretty good people.

But what am I doing these days?

Today I work hard to protect people

and businesses from the type of person that I used to be. So I speak across the planet, I consult

with individuals, with businesses, with non-profit organizations. consult with

non-profit organizations.

Is it hard, it is difficult.

When you make the decision, it's not.

And the reason is, is because cybercrime especially is an addiction.

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