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Hey folks, before we get started with today's episode, I have some news to share with you about the third-degree podcast.

Beginning the week of May 24th, the third degree feed, this feed where you're listening

now, will feature audio of my weekly notes to the cafe community where I analyze news

at the intersection of law and politics.

We'll be dialing back the current Monday, Wednesday, Friday format a bit because we're

turning our attention to a brand new podcast. I'm going to tell

you now this thing will blow your mind when you hear it. I don't want to say too much at the moment,

but it draws on my experience as a prosecutor in the Southern District of New York.

I can't wait to tell you more about it in the coming weeks, and I can't wait to drop it.

I can't wait for you to hear it. So thanks for listening. As always, please keep sending us any thoughts and questions you may

have to Letters atcafe.com. From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is third

degree. I'm Ellie Honig. I've cooperated some bad, bad people, drug traffickers, crooked public officials, fraudsters, home invaders, mobsters,

and yes, killers. But never, never a child sex trafficker. I can't say I ever had a specific

chance to do that, to cooperate a child sex trafficker. I only did a few child sex abuse cases. They were all horrible,

of course. And there was really never any reason to consider cooperating any of these guys

because they generally worked alone and had no useful information to give. Well, hold on,

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