Girl, this is going to be a good one.

The energy, energy.

The energy, well, let's get into it because we're so excited to share this conversation with y'all.

I'm Saeed Jones.

And I'm Zach Stafford, and you're listening to Vibe Check.

On today's episode, we have a very special guest.

We have political strategist and commentator Simone Sanders Townsend. So you probably know Simone Sanders Townsend if you watch MS now or as I love to say,

Miss Now, Miss Now, formerly known as MSNBC. I'm sure MSNBC hates that. But guess what, guys?

I love it. I'm now no longer under contract with MSNBC, so I can say whatever I'd like,

which is a fun fact. But she co-hosts the new podcast clocket with Eugene Daniels.

She served as the national press secretary of Bernie Sanders in 2016.

And she was vice president, Kamala Harris's senior advisor when she was vice president, of course.

But today she's our special guest for a conversation I love for a thousand reasons.

But one of them is that she is a media person.

And baby, she goes toe to toe with me and Saeed Joe.

Oh, yeah, she was ready to talk.

And it's just, I love, hey, sis.

I look forward to the series every March, you know, this tradition of ours.

And because we've been talking about the business of black women, it's been so inspiring and enlightening to really think through both what black women are doing

for us, what they're doing for culture, news and politics, and what culture news and politics

is doing against them, which is the same misogy nor to really look at it. And I think so often

because when we talk about politics, generally we're talking

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