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We're talking about two very different things, both very interesting. We're talking to Brian about what happens if there's a season without fans and what that looks like on TV.

What that looks like from a broadcast standpoint and to basically what you're going to see under television this fall.

He has a ton of really good info. And then we talked to former NFL defensive back, Will Blackman about Mike McCarthy who we played under and Rodgers we played with.

We have some funny Charles Woodson stories and what I wanted to talk to him about is just what this season will look like with no off season, how teams will be built, who will benefit, who will not benefit.

And he has a lot of good insight on that. So let's start with Brian. Brian Curtis, Ringer, Media Legend.

Wow. Is that your official title?

Well, we haven't got the new Spotify business cards yet.

I'll work on it. All right. We want to talk about what the season is going to look like because it's going to be weird.

We have a couple of test cases with empty stadiums.

A team was fined for using sex dolls the other day as crowds.

Feel like that's probably not going to make its way to America as a trend.

UFC had an empty arena event as a three empty arena events. They've been okay.

NASCAR had an empty arena race last week empty stadium race.

And we've seen the Korean baseball. We've seen German soccer and we've seen sort of watered down for person golf.

Brian, when you think about this fall, what do you think is the biggest difference in just the production that we're going to see from a week to week basis when there's just

probably no fans in the stands?

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