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Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day, and there is a lot to unpack.

From all eyes on the Andy Burnham show, as Labour Party conference looms to Nigel Farage's comments about people feasting on captured swans. Well, roll up, roll up, it's time for the Mandarine Rana and Matthew Parrish show. Welcome both. Hello, Matthew. Hello. How are you? You good?

Very good. Thank you. Yes.

And Tom Peck is right. You are looking very well.

I think he was just being polite. I'm not sure we can even see me. No, no, no. We've decided you're glowing. Hanoch Powell used to say, when people said, oh, you're looking well. He knocked. He used to say, the three ages of man. Youth, middle age, and you're looking well. He used to say the three ages of man, youth, middle age and you're looking well. Well, how nice to have reached that stage myself. As I said, I think it's just because I'm wearing a shirt and don't have much of a beard. I think that's literally it. Manveen, thanks for being here. You brought me cake. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. They didn't have smaller ones. I'm not going to be looking that well once I've eaten that. Not that I'm not grateful. I'm making up for all your kimchi and fermented goods.

How? very big cake. Yes, I'm sorry. They didn't have smaller ones. I'm not going to be looking that well once I've eaten that.

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