Hey everybody, welcome to the Bucksexton show. Our guest tonight is Orrin McIntyre. He is with

the blaze. He's got the Orrin McIntyre podcast over there. He was born in Florida, grew up all

over the South, son of a military officer, a very high wattage individual. I'm really good

for to talk into him just based on his very excellent Twitter or in thanks for being with us,

man. Great to have you on the program. Yeah, thanks for having me. Tell me about foxes and lions

in the context of politics, America and Nicola Machiavelli's Seminole work, The Prince,

which I know you've recently cited all these things together in a sub stack. Break this one down

for me. I thought it was fascinating. Your most recent analysis on this. Oh, thanks. No, absolutely.

Yeah, so Machiavelli had this comparison between foxes and lions and his advice for rulers is

that you should be clever like a fox and be able to avoid traps, but but foxes while clever

can't really actually fight, say, a pack of wolves. And so you also need to have some of the

aspect of the lion, the ability to fight back, you know, just kind of brute strength out of certain

situations. And guys who kind of continued in Machiavelli's political tradition, guys like

a Velfrato Pareto kind of extended this. He called them type one and type two derivations or

residues, but it's easier to just go foxes and lions. And basically, he said that, you know,

each leadership class has got an ad mixture of kind of your clever people, the people who are

looking to kind of manipulate situations, alter things, look around corners, explore new ideas.

And then it has your core of people who are strong, patriotic, they're about keeping institutions,

rock solid and perpetuating tradition, that kind of thing. And so your fox type leaders are the

ones that are going to get you out of situations where you need cleverness, nimbleness,

either ability to manipulate systems and your lion type leaders are the ones that are going to

get you out of situations where you need kind of that martial strength and that kind of where with

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