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The Broad Experience

The Broad Experience 43: Navigating expectations

The Broad Experience

The Broad Experience

Careers, Society & Culture, Business

5.0592 Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2014

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

What happens when you're a woman at work who doesn't look traditionally feminine? We meet a couple of young women who know what it’s like to look for a job when you don’t appear the way society expects. And when you’ve had experience working as both genders, you have a unique perspective on the workplace. We meet Lisa Scheps, who had great success when she presented as a male entrepreneur, but as a woman in the workplace, her career has stalled.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the broad experience, the show about women, the workplace and success.

0:07.0

I'm Ashley Milne Tide.

0:08.0

This time on the show, if a woman doesn't present herself the way other people expect her to, the job hunt can be tough.

0:15.0

We just don't really think that you'd mesh well here.

0:18.0

It just doesn't feel like the right chemistry, these like very

0:21.3

vague kind of terms that are like, you make me uncomfortable. And so we're not going to bring you here.

0:26.8

And on the last show, we heard about transgender men's experiences at work and how many of them

0:31.6

have an easier time at the office after leaving their female days behind. This time we hear from a trans woman.

0:38.8

I've talked to trans men as well who they say,

0:41.0

oh my God, suddenly, you know, nobody questions what I say anymore.

0:44.5

And I got the opposite thing.

0:46.4

So suddenly, everything I say is just questioned.

0:50.2

Coming up on the broad experience.

0:53.8

Last year, I read a blog post by a young writer called Hannah Winston.

0:57.8

She made me think about something I'd never thought about before.

1:00.8

The prejudice you can face as a woman at work if you don't look traditionally feminine.

1:05.7

Hannah is 23, and last year she was dating another woman she describes as Butch.

1:10.4

And Butch lesbians, she says, they often find it tough to land jobs.

1:14.5

Her girlfriend certainly did.

1:16.3

She was a high school math teacher.

1:18.0

She dressed like a guy, had short hair.

1:20.5

And Hannah says potential employers didn't seem to know what to do with her.

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