Welcome to the Broad Experience. I'm Ashley Milne tight.

This time we talk about why women switch jobs less often than men and what keeps us in one place longer than we sometimes should be.

And in the second part of the show, I talked to former Wall Street analyst and writer Whitney Johnson about women's formal and informal power and how she made the

journey from music major to equity analyst. Quite a few listeners will know the company Etsy,

especially if you're in the US. But for those who don't, it's an online marketplace for people

who sell handmade and vintage products. Thousands of small businesses sell their wares through Etsy.

The site has a huge following,

and my first guest, Danielle Maville, felt really lucky to work there until she didn't.

But even when she started to feel restless, about four years in,

she couldn't bring herself to leave.

Her job was to liaise with all the sellers who sold

their goods through Etsy. So essentially, she supported them and coached them on how to better

promote their businesses through the site. It was a very public role. My face was on blog posts. My face was

in the forums. I led live workshops. I traveled and met sellers in person. Um, so people knew me as Danielle XO. I'd go to a craft show and... And just to be clear, that's your Twitter handle. Right. That's my Twitter handle. And it was also my Etsy username. Um, and my admin name just was everything, Danielle XO. And I had just picked it out of the blue when I started at Etsy,

and that's who I became and was recognized as.

So I actually probably should have left probably a year,

maybe more than a year before I did.

And I just really couldn't imagine who I would be if I wasn't Danielle XO.

And if I would have, if ever again I would be as important or as respected or listened to,

really all of my, I don't know, my identity was this Danielle XO.

So Danielle's whole sense of herself was bound up with her job.

She struggled with the idea of leaving everything she'd built in her role,

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