This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Friday, October 15th, 2021.

I'm Caleb Brown.

When you're fighting corporate welfare and big government handouts to special interests,

it's beneficial to know who your friends are and a broad coalition of groups not normally aligned

regularly find themselves on the same side of the fight to end or stop special interest giveaways.

John Mosina runs the Center for Economic Accountability.

He describes just how these kinds of coalitions get started and why they matter.

Corporate welfare is a high priority, a fat target for people who are

involved in the Liberty Movement. How do these things get done to begin with?

Well, one of the really interesting things to come out of the past maybe year and a half or so

is that for a long time a lot of reformers a lot of us in the Liberty movement

thought you know you really can't you know you're not going to win those corporate

welfare reform battles oh they're too big other too powerful and over the past about year or half or so,

there have been a couple really high profile successes

where bipartisan coalitions in states actually,

you know, undertook and succeeded at meaningful reforms at

killing programs that had very powerful lobbies behind them in Texas the

chapter 313 program which heavily benefited the state's oil and gas industry

is basically a big closing fund, seven billion dollars in costs in the state,

was killed by a coalition that included Texas Public Policy Foundation along with groups on the left.

In Michigan, the Good Jobs for Michigan Subsidy Program, which had been initially introduced in part to try to win Amazon HQ2, was allowed

to sunset despite support for manufacturers including the auto industry.

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