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And police stations across the country officers start their shifts in the briefing room. It's a place where law enforcement can speak openly and candidly about safety, training, policy, crime trends.

We think it's time to invite you in so pull up a chair. Welcome to the briefing room.

On this week's episode of the briefing room, we're talking about case law, Terry versus Ohio, a landmark decision that laid the foundation and boundaries for police officers ability to detain and perform curse researches of citizens.

We'll get into the background of Terry versus Ohio and we'll discuss the relevance of the decision and how it applies to the streets today.

So it's a case that occurred in Cleveland, Ohio back in 1963. It was heard by the Supreme Court in 1967. So you see kind of the delay in that finally making it through all the appeals to finally make it to the US Supreme Court.

The basic gist of it is what people refer to as stop and frisk. And there's all kinds of discussions about stop and frisk and whether or not it's constitutional, whether it's applied evenly, those kinds of things.

But a lot of situations that police encounter amount to a Terry stop we call them Terry stops.

One of the reasons we wanted to talk about this issue is to clarify what is legal under case law and what isn't.

Right. So in this case in Cleveland, we have a plain closed officer who his detail is working a foot beat. He walks around downtown in Cleveland.

And he is specifically looking for shop lifters, pickpocketers, robbers, people that are up to no good.

39 year police veterans, 35 of which he's been a detective. So this guy has a lot of experienced people watching on an October afternoon.

He is on his foot patrol and notices two men who are about three, four hundred feet away from him. And he said that a lot of times he would just stop and watch people just observe and see what they are up to.

He doesn't recognize these two gentlemen. He says that he sees these two men talking. One of them departs walks down the street a little ways stops in front of a store looks into the window walks a little bit further past the store turns around walks back stairs in the same store window comes back to Mr. Terry.

Terry then walks does the same exact thing as his partner, Mr. Chilton. And goes up to the same store window appears in the window walks a little bit further past comes back looks in the window again comes back down the street confers with Mr. Chilton.

Terry and Chilton repeat this each five or six times is the store open or closed stores open. So this detective finds this to be suspicious behavior. I think that's fair. What about you, Yardley?

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