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During John Kelly's first official week on the job as the new White House Chief of Staff,

the president unveiled a new approach to immigration. I'm discussing this policy and the future

legislative agenda with Perry Bacon of 538. It's best from the right while Sarah from the left is

on vacation. You're listening to Pantsuit Politics, no shouting, no insults, plenty of nuance.

Hello everyone and welcome to the briefcase. Today I am joined by Perry Bacon, a senior political

writer at 538. Perry is also a native Kentuckyian. So we're really excited to have him in Sarah's seat today.

So I'm here with Perry Bacon of 538. Perry thank you so much for joining me today.

Of course thanks for having me. I wanted to talk with you about John Kelly as the new Chief of Staff.

I've read some of your work on the different factions in the Trump administration

and your observation that Ryan's previous departure is significant when you start to think about

those factions. Can you talk a little bit about your perspective on this?

So we did a piece at 538 and I guess March laying out the idea that in most White House's

the president is kind of a part a person is sort of part of the party establishment

and he brings in people who are part of that too. In other words when Obama won the presidency,

he basically appoint a lot of people who would work for Bill Clinton and who probably would have

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