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🗓️ 22 May 2025
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This week, Scott sat down with a particularly baritone cast of Lawfare colleagues—co-host emeritus Benjamin Wittes, Foreign Policy Editor Dana Stuster, and Senior Editor (aka Legal Correspondent) Roger Parloff—to discuss the week’s biggest national security news stories, including:
In Object Lessons, as white smoke rose over the Vatican, Roger also turned his gaze heavenward—diving into Benjamin Blech and Roy Doliner’s “The Sistine Secrets” to uncover the subtexts Michelangelo left behind. Inspired by the same papal events, Scott turned to Conclave for a peek inside the process. Ben planted seeds of solidarity and resilience (or was that resistance?) across from the Russian embassy. And Dana’s incoming students at Franklin and Marshall College are about to share in his appreciation for Osamu Dazai’s “The Setting Sun.”
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0:00.0 | We all want the best of both. |
0:02.3 | Dessert without calories, luxury without expense, and how about security without passwords? |
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0:10.3 | We secure identity for your business so you can safely use any technology. |
0:15.4 | You could build experiences that are richer and more secure, grow revenue without running up costs and scale easily, |
0:22.2 | no matter your tech stack. |
0:23.9 | Enjoying the best of both, |
0:25.2 | it's possible. |
0:26.4 | It's Octor. |
0:27.5 | Octa, the world's identity company. |
0:32.7 | So guys, |
0:34.3 | preekness or stash? |
0:39.4 | Ben getting into the meta. guys, preakness or stash? Ben, |
0:40.3 | Ben, getting into the meta of our V-Ril conversation from the jump. |
0:44.7 | I mean, we've got Scott says he watched the preakness. |
0:48.5 | Dana is sporting the most 70s mustache I've seen in a long time. |
0:54.9 | Which are we talking about? |
0:57.0 | We do have a bit of a facial hair trend going. |
0:59.3 | Why don't we start with the stash as we critiqued Ben's facial hair the last time? |
1:02.8 | He was on the podcast. |
1:03.7 | I think it's only fair. |
1:05.0 | Dana, what has inspired this very Tom Selleck vibe? |
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