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Cold War Conversations

The Bridge of Spies spy (273)

Cold War Conversations

Ian Sanders

Society & Culture, Documentary, History

4.8758 Ratings

🗓️ 21 January 2023

⏱️ 83 minutes

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On 10 February 1962, Gary Powers, the American pilot whose U2 spy plane was shot down in Soviet airspace, was released on “The Bridge in Spies” in Berlin by his captors in exchange for one Colonel Rudolf Abel, aka Vilyam Fisher - one of the most extraordinary characters in the history of the Cold War.   Born plain William Fisher in Newcastle upon Tyne, in the UK this British grammar schoolboy was the child of revolutionary parents who had fled tsarist oppression in Russia. Their son returned to his spiritual homeland, the newly formed Soviet Union, and became a spy, embarking on a mission to New York, where he ran the network that stole America's atomic secrets.   In 1957, Willie's luck ran out and he was arrested and sentenced to thirty years in prison. Five years later, the USSR's regard for his talents was proven when they insisted on swapping him for Gary Powers.  I speak with Vin Arthey, the author of “Abel. The true story of the spy they traded for Gary Powers” Vin Arthey has traced Willie's tale from the most unlikely of beginnings in Newcastle, to Moscow, the streets of New York, and back again, a story of Cold War espionage to rival anything in fiction. 0:00 Introduction and discussion about Willie Fisher's spy work 10:26 Willie Fisher's upbringing and education in England 18:49 Fisher's move to Russia and his early years in Soviet society 25:33 Fisher's entry and rise in the intelligence services 38:41 Fisher's significant operations during the Great Patriotic War 42:52 Fisher's training and espionage work in the US 57:42 Fisher's capture, trial, and the role of his defense lawyer, Jim Donovan 1:08:26 The spy exchange, Fisher's imprisonment, and contact with his family 1:14:23 Fisher's life post-exchange in the Soviet Union and his role in the KGB 1:19:15 Fisher's final moments and the KGB's surveillance of him Table of contents powered by PodcastAI✨ Buy the book here https://amzn.to/3D9di6B Episodes mentioned The Rosenberg’s https://coldwarconversations.com/episode184/ Portland Spy Ring https://coldwarconversations.com/episode138/ https://coldwarconversations.com/episode139/ The battle to preserve Cold War history is ongoing and your support can provide me with the ammunition to continue to keep this podcast on the air. Via a simple monthly donation, you’ll become part of our community and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.  Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/ If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link. Videos and further infor here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode273/ Support the project! https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/ Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPod Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/ Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversations Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:35.8

Willie Fisher was receiving messages from Moscow Center

0:39.8

he was sending messages to Moscow Center

0:42.2

he was clearing up messes he was keeping the show on the road

0:45.9

and he was paying people

0:47.7

he was certainly paying Kim Philby for example

0:51.1

more than once

0:52.0

this is Cold War Conversations if you're Kim Filby, for example, more than once.

1:11.1

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1:25.3

On the 10th of February 1962, Gary Powers, the American pilot whose U2 spy plane was shot down in Soviet airspace was released on the Bridge of Spies in Berlin.

1:30.1

His captors exchanged him for one Colonel Rudolf Abel,

1:36.2

aka William Fisher, one of the most extraordinary characters in the history of the Cold War.

1:42.7

Born playing a William Fisher in Newcastle upon time, in the UK, this British grammar schoolboy was the child of revolutionary parents who had fled Tsarish depression in Russia.

1:48.5

Their son returned to his spiritual homeland, the newly formed Soviet Union, and became a spy,

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