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You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

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I guess you'd have to ask.

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Welcome to the History Extra podcast.

Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Revealed.

The Dambuster Raid of May 1944 is one of the most celebrated episodes of the Second World War.

But in military terms, was it in fact a flop? And was Barnes Wallace, the man behind this audacious attack,

really the maverick genius that's been presented in books and films. Richard Morris

addresses these questions in his new book, Dambuster, and Spencer Mizzin spoke to him to find

out more about Wallace's life and legacy. Thank you so much for joining us today. So Barnes Wallace,

he's a subject of your latest book and he's a,

he's a very interesting character, isn't he? To some people, he's being viewed as a kind of

patriotic genius, somebody who embodies all that's best about Britain's pluck and ingenuity in the Second World War.

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