Welcome to Mortification of Spin, the casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman, Todd Pruitt, and Amy Bird.

Mortification of Spin is a weekly podcast from the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.

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Thank you. Well, you are listening to Mortification of Spin.

My name is Todd Pruitt, and as always, I am joined by Carl Truman and Amy Bird.

And let's just hop right into this.

Look, you may have noticed recently that two rather recently disgraced pastors have been rushing back into the public eye,

taking the stage of public ministry recently.

Mark Driscoll, former pastor of the Mars Hill Megaplex in Seattle and

Tullian Chevigin, formerly of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church. Both of these men are back. Driscoll,

of course, is the pastor of Trinity Church in Phoenix, Arizona, and Chevigion is back on social media,

even preaching here and there.

And so Carl and Amy, it's really tough to leave the limelight, isn't it?

I mean, here we have two men who very publicly took very public falls, one out of just a

mountain of evidence of spiritual and emotional abuse of his church, staff

members, the whole Mars Hill megachurch complex collapsed under these allegations and scandals

of abusive and megalomaniacal behavior. And then, of course, Tully and Chevigin through several unfolding

revelations of adultery. So both of them took a nosedive, but they are back. What does that tell us?

Isn't America wonderful? It's the land of second, third, fourth, fifth, et cetera, et cetera, chances.

Yeah. It doesn't tell us anything good, et cetera, et cetera, chances. Yeah.

It doesn't tell us anything good, I think, about the discernment of certain sections of the American, conservative, Protestant, evangelical public, however you want to describe it.

It seems to me that Paul is very clear in the pastoral epistles what the qualifications for church leadership are.

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