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Hello, if you have got pretty good hearing, you might notice that today's episode

sounds slightly different than usual, and it's not just because there's no Adam although there isn't it's

also because we are at the mill bank studio where Matt Chorley has just interviewed Boris

Johnson and Matt is here, how was it? Stressful, difficult.

I mean, it's not a surprise, and I have interviewed him not for a very long time,

but his ability to change the subject, willfully missed the point,

willfully missed the point, talk about something else,

and then just launch into the thing he wants to talk about the whole time.

And the temptation to interrupt him and say no but that wasn't

what I was talking about is also very strong but if you do do that you get accused of interrupting him too much and so you end up in this

sort of vicious circle and you will get because it was live we were against the clock we only had half an hour

and you don't want him to sort of chew up all that time but you also want him to be able to say

what he wants to say. So yeah I feel a bit exhausted. Were you exhausted listening

to it Chris? No No, no, I wasn't.

I think the thing is with Boris Johnson

is, you know, whether you love him or hate him

and people tend to fall into those kind of extremes rather than being indifferent. He is engaging. Now he might be engaging

for what you regard as good reasons or terrible reasons, but he is engaging because he loves

the art of assembling a sentence and an argument and you get that sort of

dissembly and all the rest of it but it's I think I think it and it transports you back to

when we're hearing much more of it. And if you want to hear that interview in full it should already be in your

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