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Carol Swain, Carol Swain, a writer, a podcaster, a movie star,

I've now seen you in a couple of movies, former professor at Vanderbilt and Princeton,

which is unbelievable these days that someone with any conservative views could

last there for even five seconds with the way that conservative academics are treated.

Thank you so much for being here.

I have to say I was not a conservative when I was hired by Princeton and Vanderbilt didn't know that

I had converted.

That would make more sense.

That would now I can understand how that would be possible.

Carol, you suggested this book, I had never read it, up from slavery by Booker T Washington because I when I was in

school I was told the leaders of the African American community were people

like Al Sharpton Jesse Jackson then going back a little bit further to kind of the era of this guy,

W.E.B. Du Bois, who is a noted socialist African-American leader and started the N-W-A-C-P.

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