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🗓️ 9 December 2020
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0:00.0 | The Spectator magazine combines incisive political analysis with books and arts reviews of unrivaled authority. Absolutely free. Go to spectator.com.uk forward slash voucher. |
0:27.9 | Hello and welcome to Spectators Book Club podcast. I'm Sam Leith, the literary editor |
0:32.5 | of The Spectator, and my guest this week is the writer-journalist Ed Caesar, whose new book is called The Moth and the Mountain, a true story of love, war and Everest. |
0:43.1 | Now, the Moth is not a butterfly-type moth, but an aeroplane. And Everest, well, we all know about Everest. |
0:49.8 | But this is story, isn't it, Ed, of a failure rather than a great triumph? |
0:57.3 | It is, I suppose, in absolute terms, a failure, in that Morris Wilson, who is the subject of this book, wanted to be the first |
1:04.2 | person to reach the summit of Everest, and he does not become the first person to reach the summit of Everest. |
1:12.0 | So in that sense, it is a failure. |
1:14.5 | Failure is always much more interesting than success, I think, in literary terms. |
1:19.7 | And he fails in his main objective, but in all sorts of other ways, |
1:26.5 | Everest was the thing that was going to redeem his broken life. |
1:33.0 | So in some senses, he does get what he wants, but he doesn't get the ultimate thing that he wants, |
1:39.2 | I suppose. No. Well, he is, or at least, you know, until I started reading your book, |
1:43.7 | I didn't know who the hell he was. He seems to have been kind of by, when you came to him, he is, or at least, you know, until I started reading your book, I didn't know who the hell he was. |
1:45.0 | He seems to have been kind of, when you came to, he was sort of a forgotten figure, wasn't he? |
1:49.9 | Can you tell me a bit about how you sort of got onto his trail and where you decided, you know, there's a story here, and it's a story that not enough people know. |
1:58.3 | Yes. So I read a brilliant book called Into the Silence by Wade Davis, |
2:03.6 | which is about the early British expeditions to Everest in the 1920s, |
2:09.2 | and about the long tale of the First World War, the effects that fighting in France and Flanders |
2:16.1 | had had on that group of men who tried to climb Everest in |
2:20.1 | the 1920s. And it's a wonderful book. And somewhere in that book, there were two paragraphs |
2:28.0 | about Morris Wilson, which adambrided his story. |
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