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podcast hope everyone's doing well on this beautiful Monday morning at least it

is where I am Andrew is it beautiful where you are absolutely gorgeous. Your mug says Minnesota. Or it looks like Minnesota. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. That says you betcha. Yeah, it's beautiful here. It's one of the you know handful of beautiful days we have here. It's about to be frigid cold in like a month. So

Are you in like northern Minnesota or no I'm in southern Minnesota. It's extreme northern Iowa, really, and cornfields everywhere, but it is, it gets cold quick, and so we're enjoying it. You know, I'll maybe go golfing later today when I've been the Midwest it's like the

weather can change so quick so drastically that's what I've noticed yeah you can have like a

warm day and the next day you're it's snowing and so anyway. For real yeah. So I should probably

mention for those who are I have a shirt on it says it's all you can see is

vegetarian so I should probably just verify to everyone it says it's actually an

anti vegetarian shirt but they're vegetarian so you don't have to be so, we have Andrew Iscar on the podcast today to talk about

his latest book, The Boniface option. And of course you were, I think the first book you published

was the book with Torba, or Andrew Torba on Christian nationalism, right?

That's correct, yeah. This is your second book. This is my second, my first one that's just me.

So, you know, kind of my second second kind of my first you know yeah so you are a Christian

nationalist you are the the person that everyone's mad at that they want to yeah I guess I am. Yeah, yeah, here I am. You started this whole thing.

Because that was, yeah. That was before Stephen's book that you published that book.

Yeah, I mean Stephen, I think, I mean he had his in development for a very long time because it's a huge book.

Ours, we worked on quickly because we knew, I mean, it was the 2022 election year and that topic was becoming a big one. I mean they were they were

attacking all sorts of different candidates like where Torba lives in

Pennsylvania, Doug Mastriano was running for governor and there say he's a Christian

Nationalist because he would have like a flag lapel pin and he would you know say, you know, very

basic Christian statements why I believe in Jesus and I believe America was a Christian nation and that's good and they're like ah he's horrible this is a theocrat trying to take over the country and and so you and you had all of these you know this whole cast of

characters like Samuel Perry and Andrew Whitehead and all of these clowns

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