What is a biblical response to transgender theory?

What is the relationship between sex and gender?

And how can Christians best navigate our cultural moment with biblical conviction and compassion?

These are some of the questions we're going to explore today with our guest, Dr. Robert Smith, author of the new book, which is my go-to of its kind. It's called The Body God Gives. I'm your host, Sean McDowell. I'm your co-host, Scott Ray. This is Think Bivocally from Talbot School Theology Biola University. Robert, it's great to have you on. Thanks so much for taking the time to join us. That's a great pleasure. I'm

looking forward to talking with you both. We talk early in the book about what you call a

transgender tipping point that hit around 2013. And someone could argue that we've had a tipping

point maybe two years ago or so. But talk about what you mean by that and maybe how you think the

conversation has again shifted within the past couple years.

Yeah, well, the language of the transgender tipping point was the title given to a Time

magazine cover story, I think early in 2014. And they pinpointed the tipping points of late

2013, where a number of things kind of coalesced. There were some changes in the DSM, the new DSM-5,

the DSM stands for diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders.

That's where the language of gender dysphoria was introduced to replace gender identity disorder.

So that was a fairly, well, very significant shift.

But I think the bigger thing was the cultural celebrations of transgender identities.

And this, of course, was the time when same-sex marriage was in the process of being passed in the UK, the US, Australia, many other places.

And I think people were looking for the next civil rights cause.

And, of course, once you've ticked off LGBT, you come to T.

So that's, I think, what got us to that tipping point.

Yeah, I don't know what the reverse of a tipping point is,

a receding point or something.

But I think in the last couple of years,

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