And I'm here with a Devon Springer.

Hey, Devon, could you maybe introduce yourself

where you're calling from, who you are,

and what you're about?

Yeah, of course. And I want to thank you for having me on.

It's a really big privilege to be on this podcast

that I'm such a fan of.

Like he said, my name is Devon Springer.

I'm a cultural worker, writer artist, poet, as well as community organizer,

prison abolitionist. I'm a Marxist pan-Africanist as well. In my heart, everything I do and say is for the

the liberation of black people globally, as well as indigenous people

and all colonized people of the world.

I work with the Walter Rodney Foundation which is based in Atlanta. We do political education surrounding Walter Rodney's work and

related topics and we hold a big symposium every year where we bring

a bunch of speakers and we just engage in free political education throughout the year.

So that's sort of my political home. And I'm the

host of the Groundings Podcast as well. So that's a pretty short overview.

Yeah, it's it's a really amazing podcast. The work you do with the Walter Rodney Foundation is also really amazing.

You get pegged as the quote unquote Rodney guy, but it's important work.

But one thing that I'm really interested in and sometimes I ask my, you know, people who come on the show this question,

but, you know, how did you get politicized?

Like, what was it? I I mean everyone has that kind of

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