Hello, and welcome to Five Things.

I'm Dana Taylor, today is Sunday, September 3rd, 2023.

Summer of 2020, a wave of social unrest in America exploded following the murder of George

Floyd, when social movement that gripped the nation was called Black Lives Matter.

Millions of Americans took to the streets demanding change, but sweeping change didn't

come.

What was the objective?

What if anything changed?

I'm joined now by writer and academic, Frederick DeBore, whose book, How Elite's 8th Social

Justice Movement, will be out on September 5th.

Freddie, thank you for joining me.

Thanks so much for having me.

So it's now been three years, and Black people continue to die at the hands of police,

Terry Nichols, Andre Hill, yet the movement to reform police has effectively stalled.

Why do you think that is?

I think that the biggest problem has been the lack of a particular specific policy

ask.

There has not been a piece of signature legislation that people have been able to rally around.

I think that the George Floyd Justice in policing bill, which was a bill that failed twice

in Congress, including when Democrats had the power to pass it, was a good model.

The problem with the George Floyd Justice in policing act, which if you're unfamiliar

with it, it entailed all manner of changes to a sort of an omnibus police reform bill.

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