Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask someone that has sex. Someone that has sex. Right. And remember,

it's just between us.

One thing about pandemics and crises in general, it focuses experiences.

It is a hot house for a whole variety of experiences.

Some decades after Black Death hit Cairo in 1349, historian of the Mamluk Empire, Alma Krizi,

described the devastation that the outbreak had wreaked on his hometown.

The inhabitants of a house was stricken one after the other, and in one night or two,

the dwelling became deserted. Each individual

lived with this fixed idea that he was going to die this way. He prepared himself of a good

death by distributing arms. He arranged for scenes of reconciliation and his acts of devotion multiplied. As Al McCreasy described it,

this once vibrant city was transformed into a virtual ghost town. The visions he conjured up were

almost post-apocalyptic. Cairo had become an abandoned desert and one did not see anyone walking along the streets, Almercruise said.

Debris piled up, people went around with worried faces.

Everywhere, one heard lamentations, and one could not pass by any house without being overwhelmed by the howling.

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