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Off Duty | The Guardian Investigates

The Birth Keepers: Journey Moon

Off Duty | The Guardian Investigates

The Guardian

Society & Culture, Documentary

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 10 December 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

When Lorren Holliday got pregnant in 2018, she joined Emilee Saldaya’s Facebook group and quickly became hooked on the Free Birth Society podcasts. It was a decision that led to tragedy. This is episode three of a year-long investigation by Guardian journalists Sirin Kale and Lucy Osborne

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0:00.0

This is The Guardian.

0:08.3

Hi, I'm Shiuing Kala, and I'm Lucy Osborne.

0:11.9

You're listening to The Birth Pupers, a new six-part series from The Guardian Investigates.

0:17.9

Just before we start, this series contains references to baby loss and maternal harm.

0:22.6

It's 2013. Lauren is an actor and Chris is a session musician in a band.

0:40.3

For some reason, today, he's dressed as a pirate.

0:43.3

I was cast in his best friend's music video.

0:47.3

We met at a video shoot, very typical LA thing.

0:50.3

And I look over and he walks in and I thought, oh my gosh, that sexy pirate right there is

0:55.6

my guy. And I was dressed as a cat. They had dressed me as like kind of a sexy kitty. And so he

1:02.8

said later that he saw me and he was like, that sexy kitty is mine. So we were both kind of

1:07.3

thinking the same thing. Something with her and I just, I don't know, it just worked. It clicked.

1:13.6

And it went from a little coffee date to spending every single day together,

1:16.6

to starting businesses together, and 12 years later, here we are.

1:24.6

Not long after they met, they realized they were both tired of L.A.

1:29.9

That they wanted something very different from life.

1:32.5

So they bought a trailer and moved to Joshua Tree National Park.

1:36.5

Picture, cactuses, a vast, rocky desert under a dramatic blue sky.

1:41.4

My goal for my life was to be basically wild and free.

1:44.8

Rome the land, barefooted, you know, in the sand and the cactus.

1:48.7

Just being a part of nature was huge for me.

1:52.0

That was relaxing to us, you know, to just be able to like read a book, chill, walk around

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