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slash setup welcome to another bonus episode of the tech brew ride home Home. I'm Brian McCullough, as always.

Today we're going to talk to someone that I actually spoke to about a decade ago.

He's one of my favorite authors. I've read almost everything he's written. We're talking to

Sebastian Malaby, and we are talking about this book, The Infinity Machine, Demis Hasabas, and the Deep Mind,

the Quest for Super Intelligence. Welcome. Thank you so much. So let me start this way.

For people not ensconced deeply in the AI world, people know Sam Altman, increasingly Dariama Dai. Can you, in that sort of

firmament of AI superstars or gurus, if you will, where does Demis fit into this?

Sure, there's some contrast here, right? So Sam Altman dropped out of Stanford. Demis Hasabas has a PhD

and a Nobel Prize. It's a different level of scientific focus. I think, you know, Sam Altman

may be the greatest fundraiser in Silicon Valley history. Demis Isabas is a breakthrough scientist.

So that's one big contrast. Darari Amadei is also a PhD scientist

and I think is the closest of the other AI leaders

to be compared to Demis Asibis.

Maybe the difference is that Demis had this conviction

in the importance of artificial intelligence

in the mid-1990s, right,

when he was still in his teens, and he was convinced that he

was going to build an AI company, bring powerful AI into the world. You know, 15 years before

AI could even recognize the photograph of a cat, like nothing in AI was working. And he had this

super early conviction, which is pretty much unique in the field.

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