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but you're right the eight billion to the taliban is a um it's it's almost as if we're

we're we're it's not extortion,

what is it, it's bribery,

it's almost like saying here, take this and don't,

don't do anything, right?

Don't cause us any trouble.

How can I help?

How can I be useful in ending needless suffering?

Do not be afraid of work that has no end.

We have to organize a social movement.

We have an opportunity to lead by example versus just talking, hot air.

I think the more people in this fight, the more we grow, eventually you could change.

You know, the people are the ones that can make the change.

Welcome back everybody to change agents, an ironclad original, proudly presented by our friends at Montana Knife Company.

Today's episode is timely for a few reasons. One, this situation in Israel.

Originally planned to be talking about the Taliban, Afghanistan, the withdrawal, what's left behind, and the potential for Taliban to be taking Western money and what they're doing with it.

I say it's timely because there's an unavoidable tie-in between our departure, both of personnel, and the infrastructure left behind, and potentially what is happening in Israel currently.

My guest today is Mike Baker. Mike spent nearly 20 years as a CIA covert field operations officer.

He took part in counterterrorism operations, counter-narcotic operations, counter-insurgency operations,

all of the isms all around the globe. He currently is the CEO of the Portman Square Group,

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