Summary
What's the best way to tackle violence against women? After a weekend of controversy around how a Sarah Everard vigil was policed, that national conversation continues. Laura and Adam chat to former prosecutor, Nazir Afzal about what difference changing the laws could make.
And also, Newscast waits around all episode for someone to discuss the Government's new bus strategy... and then two people come along at once.
Studio Director: Emma Crowe Producers: Georgia Coan, Alix Pickles, Daniel Wittenberg Episode Editor: Ben Weisz Assistant Editors: Emma Close, Sam Bonham Editor: Dino Sofos
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, music radio podcasts. |
| 0:04.6 | Laura Kay, she's back. |
| 0:06.2 | Hello, we're reunited. |
| 0:07.5 | Yes, where have you been? |
| 0:08.7 | I know where you been. |
| 0:09.7 | I know where you been, but just tell us. |
| 0:11.3 | Yeah, well, I have spent most of the last couple of weeks talking to more than 20 senior |
| 0:16.7 | politicians, officials and former officials who were in the room making the decisions about how to handle the coronavirus over the last 12 |
| 0:26.3 | months and it has been really so interesting. Our starting premise was to ask all of these people what their five most important moments or decisions were |
| 0:37.8 | And of course five moments 20 people you don't get complete uniformity but some things did come up again and again |
| 0:46.4 | and again and again and again. Oh which were? Yeah so number one Italy nearly everybody |
| 0:50.6 | I spoke to said seeing the television pictures of people ill or dying with |
| 0:56.4 | coronavirus on trolleys in corridors in Italy in a northern European country with a good health system was the moment |
| 1:05.4 | that they suddenly went oh this is real and it's coming here and the second thing that was really profound for a lot of people was when the |
| 1:15.6 | Prime Minister was taken to intensive care. The third moment when again it came up |
| 1:21.0 | again and again was Dominic Cummings misadventures to Barnard Castle. |
| 1:25.8 | But one of the things I think I think what stood out for me the most is the sort of frustration |
| 1:30.4 | and regret that a lot of people feel about what they see as a missed opportunity in the autumn and in September |
| 1:37.6 | And newscasters know how much we talked about this |
| 1:39.8 | The circuit breaker the circuit breaker was some kind of |
| 1:42.6 | of toughening up of restrictions or not what to do that agonizing |
| 1:45.8 | dilemma between damaging the economy again or putting the |
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