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Hello, this is the Redbox Podcast. I'm Matt Chordy reading the rest of my times video show.

Don't forget you can listen live and for free on your DOB radio on your smart speaker or on your

times radio app where you can listen back to old shows as well and you can listen to the Redbox

Podcast or maybe that's where you're listening to it in which case you don't need to know about

the app. Very good. Right, coming up on today's episode I've been speaking to Sir Richard

Deerlove former head of MI6 about how you get a tap on the shoulder should become a spy.

What he thinks about Britain's relations with Russia and China and Donald Trump if he comes

back as a president who's really interesting chat coming up with him in just a moment.

First, as ever, we'll kick off with the columnists.

Manvine Runner and someone called Matthew on Times Radio.

Yes, it's Thursday, so we say hello to Manvine Runner.

Hello. And this week someone called Matthew is Matthew Powers. Tell him Matthew.

Hello. Good to have you. Good to have you both here. Let's talk about migration.

Rishi Sunak has flown all the way to Japan to get in a pickle back home. He has backed away

from the manifesto promise to cut immigration below 2019 levels and appeared to blame Boris Johnson

for the record number of migrants coming to the UK. So he was asked several times on the plane to

Japan and pressed on it. He said, I inherited some numbers I want to bring down as if it was

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