Welcome once again to the Conversations That Matter Podcast. I'm your host John Harris.

I've been traveling for the last week. I think this year I've done more traveling

than maybe any other year. I'm not sure. It's it's been a lot. But this last week was a

blessing and I was able to go to all over the state of Wisconsin which I'm not actually that familiar with Wisconsin.

I just associated with Wisconsin with farms and cheese, and I got to find out how beautiful

actually Wisconsin is. And farms, not that farms aren't beautiful they are I enjoy

farmland but there's some wonderful scenery at Devil's Lake and then we went up I can't remember the name of the river now, it's escaping me that we were at in

the north, western part of the state, but that was beautiful as well and it's more diverse than I thought and a lot of

states are like that people think if I say that I live in New York they'll say

in fact I had one person I remember one time tell me I guess you don't see a lot of trees because he's just thinking of New York City and

So actually we got tons of trees we got beautiful forests where I am because I'm not in the city New York's a big big state. And so I'm so thankful for those.

We're very generous to put me up and let me speak

at their churches and there was some political events and it was just a blessing and I hope I was able to encourage people I think that did take place and even some people who didn't agree necessarily with my perspective on some of these things

were able to come and hear a different perspective and maybe get a copy of the books,

Christianity and social justice, Social Justice goes to church, and so we just

had a great time.

And one of the big blessings for me when I travel is being able to meet faithful pastors, leaders just faithful men and women in

churches mainly churches that we would consider from especially a more Bible belt perspective to be smaller, you know,

in a church that's under 500 people in some places is considered small.

I was surprised when I heard that in, I think when I was in Lynchburg someone told me that

oh that's a small church it's only got 400 people and I'm thinking that's that's a big

church where I come from but but speaking in churches, you know, with 50 people, 200 people, I mean, these are places often in areas that are either rural or maybe

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