The Big Lie
Criminal
Vox Media Podcast Network
4.7 • 39.4K Ratings
🗓️ 13 February 2026
⏱️ 47 minutes
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| 0:27.8 | I got in the water in the very early morning before the sun had risen, and the water was pitch black. |
| 0:35.0 | I started swimming, and I felt the water hollowing out around me and felt like something |
| 0:41.3 | really big was swimming below. I'm Phoebe Judge and this is love. A show about the |
| 0:48.7 | surprising things that love can make us do. More than 100 episodes, available now on This Is Love. |
| 0:59.7 | This episode contains language that may not be suitable for everyone. |
| 1:05.2 | Well, let's just jump right in, and let's just start with you introducing yourself. |
| 1:10.3 | Oh, God. And it's not a trick quite. It's like a very |
| 1:13.7 | simple, just what's your name? You just started off with the hardest question. This is Gavin Bain, |
| 1:22.0 | but for years, he went by another name. It all started in 1998 on his first day of college in Dundee, Scotland, |
| 1:31.0 | when he met another student named Billy Boyd. |
| 1:34.2 | I was running late. |
| 1:36.8 | I was skateboarding in, and I saw this guy standing outside the campus just nonchalantly. |
| 1:43.6 | I mean, I'm Russian. This probably sums up both of our |
| 1:46.6 | personalities. I'm Russian. I'm thinking, God, you've messed us up already, you know? And he's just |
| 1:53.6 | standing there. He's got like a bag of jeans on, hair cornrolled, a Hansen t-shirt. |
| 2:01.6 | I don't know why he's wearing that, but he's listened, he's just got his headphones on and I can |
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