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Criminal

The Big Lie

Criminal

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, True Crime

4.739.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In the early 2000s, the hip hop group Silibil N’ Brains seemed like they were on the brink of becoming very famous. They had a record deal with Sony, had been on MTV, and were talking about making a TV show. But they weren’t who they said they were. Gavin Bain's book is California Schemin'. Join our newsletter by 2/28/26 to be entered to win a free year of Criminal Plus: ⁠⁠thisiscriminal.com/newsletter⁠⁠. (Additional rules apply.) Say hello on ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠ and ⁠TikTok⁠. Follow the show and review us on ⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠. Sign up for Criminal Plus to get behind-the-scenes bonus episodes of Criminal, ad-free listening of all of our shows, invitations to virtual events, special merch deals, and more. We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop. Episode transcripts are posted on our website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:27.8

I got in the water in the very early morning before the sun had risen, and the water was pitch black.

0:35.0

I started swimming, and I felt the water hollowing out around me and felt like something

0:41.3

really big was swimming below. I'm Phoebe Judge and this is love. A show about the

0:48.7

surprising things that love can make us do. More than 100 episodes, available now on This Is Love.

0:59.7

This episode contains language that may not be suitable for everyone.

1:05.2

Well, let's just jump right in, and let's just start with you introducing yourself.

1:10.3

Oh, God. And it's not a trick quite. It's like a very

1:13.7

simple, just what's your name? You just started off with the hardest question. This is Gavin Bain,

1:22.0

but for years, he went by another name. It all started in 1998 on his first day of college in Dundee, Scotland,

1:31.0

when he met another student named Billy Boyd.

1:34.2

I was running late.

1:36.8

I was skateboarding in, and I saw this guy standing outside the campus just nonchalantly.

1:43.6

I mean, I'm Russian. This probably sums up both of our

1:46.6

personalities. I'm Russian. I'm thinking, God, you've messed us up already, you know? And he's just

1:53.6

standing there. He's got like a bag of jeans on, hair cornrolled, a Hansen t-shirt.

2:01.6

I don't know why he's wearing that, but he's listened, he's just got his headphones on and I can

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