The Big Business of War & Ukraine’s Neocolonial Future w/ Ben Norton
The Socialist Program with Brian Becker
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🗓️ 15 December 2022
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
As the U.S. government plans to send its most advanced surface-to-air missile system to Ukraine. Meanwhile, the masses of people in Ukraine and the rest of Europe are falling further into poverty as conditions worsen and prices rise. Rather than promoting peace and advocating for negotiations, the United States, European Union, and NATO are publicly discussing escalating the war, while the IMF, World Bank, and corporate interests speculate on how much profit they can make in the future rebuilding of Ukraine, having moved the country decisively away from Russia and into the Western fold.
Brian is joined by Ben Norton, an investigative journalist based in Latin America, and editor of the independent news website Multipolarista, at multipolarista.com
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| 0:00.0 | NATO's top leader warns that the war in Ukraine could become a full-blown war between Russia |
| 0:08.7 | and all of the NATO countries. |
| 0:11.8 | And of course, NATO is the U.S.-led military alliance. |
| 0:16.0 | That means a full-blown war between the biggest nuclear powers in the world. At the same time, Western capitalism |
| 0:23.8 | is planning a complete takeover of Ukraine's economy. We need a new system. We need a new society. |
| 0:33.4 | We need to demand that which may have sounded impossible even a few weeks ago, but is not only |
| 0:38.9 | realizable, but an imperative necessity. Welcome to this week's episode of the Socialist Program. I'm your host, Brian Becker. |
| 1:09.9 | Today we're talking again with Ben Norton. |
| 1:12.7 | Ben is an investigative journalist based in Latin America. He's the editor of the |
| 1:17.5 | independent news website, Multipolarista, which you can find at multipolarista.com. Ben Norton, welcome back. |
| 1:26.5 | Thanks for having me, Brian. It's always a pleasure being here. |
| 1:29.3 | Ben, I asked you to join because you've written some very significant articles, which |
| 1:35.0 | we're going to talk about regarding how the West and Ukraine's elites, the Ukrainian bourgeois |
| 1:41.1 | combined with the Western bourgeoisie in the United States and the EU plan, |
| 1:47.0 | a complete neo-colonial type takeover of Ukraine's economy. And we want to talk about what that |
| 1:54.1 | means for Ukrainian workers and Ukrainian farmers, for the masses of people in Ukraine, not to mention |
| 2:00.1 | other parts of the world. |
| 2:01.6 | But when I saw this quote from Jen Stoltenberg, the leader of NATO, |
| 2:06.6 | where he says sort of offhandedly, oh yes, this can become a full-blown war |
| 2:11.6 | between Russia and NATO forces, meaning the largest nuclear powers in the world. And at the same time, |
| 2:19.7 | we saw Ukraine carry out drone strikes deep into Russian territory. In the last couple, |
| 2:26.8 | well, in the last few hours, there are reports, at least in the media, that Russian drones |
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