Five.

The Tories have really painted Labour until corner, aren't they?

I mean, sort of, you know, calling for more money for Jörbils.

I mean, what, you know, what have they got left?

But sort of the longer it went on, the longer I was sort of waiting for a conservative chance

let us stand up.

For all his intelligence, his judgement may have let him down,

because he's taking a very big bet on growth.

And if that growth doesn't work out, he could come on stuck.

How many town leads have we got for planet normal?

Two million. That's two followed by six zeroes.

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What?

We have the dog.

Welcome to Planet Normal, the Telegraph podcast hosted by Alison Pearson.

Hello.

And me, Liam Halligan.

Well, Rishi Sunak's delivered his third budget, and he's looking beyond Covid and seeing an economy for a new age of optimism.

But will the Chancellor's shiny new growth assumptions, his slick PR operation and his boyish grin be enough?

For beyond the Whitehall echo chamber, where economic modelling is a dark political art,

rather than any kind of science, in the real world, the UK economy seems to be stalling.

But despite that, Rishi's relying on the economy growing by a very hefty 6.5% this year,

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