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Excellent at what they do. This guy has been doing it for a lot of years.

As a great deal of craftsmanship in his work, I don't think people understand how hard it is to

have your level of expertise and your stamina for what it is that you're doing at this age. And I

don't say that as insult. I know you're a former athlete, but you turned 60 recently, and I can't believe you're still taking two flights to get to middle of America so that you can be the expert on guard play come March because you've been watching the game since January.

I would think that the ESPN ethos, and thank you, Jay Billis, for joining us, would have over time

made you work slightly less hard, but nothing is evident in your work that would suggest

you're working any less hard. Well, thank you. That's way too nice. I think as I've gotten

older, I'm more efficient, but this job isn't nearly as hard as the job I had before this. I was a lawyer

and did both broadcasting and practice law at the same time. And so this seems like a layup

relative to what I used. Well, tell us about that time because I don't think people know

the entirety of the story. You were working for ESPN part-time for how long law is obviously a full-time job. You're a bit maniacal about your work ethic. I would say I did that for about eight or nine years. So I was an assistant coach at Duke after I finished. I played pro basketball overseas for a few years and Coach K offered me a job as an

assistant coach. I was a graduate assistant and about the time I was deciding whether to take it,

I got admitted to law school and it was Coach K's idea that I do both. So I went to law school

while I was a graduate assistant. And after three years on his staff and in law school,

I just, I thought I'd be going to coaching and be a basketball coach. But about that time,

my girlfriend, fiance, we got married. And when we were deciding what was the best thing for us,

it didn't seem like coaching was going to be the best thing for our family. So how so, just the

rigors of it, the stress of it, the lifestyle. Yeah, I think in talking about it, you know, if I did

well, we'd probably have to move every five years for the first 15

years. And both my wife and I grew up in the same, we didn't grow up in the same area, but we grew up

in one place. She grew up in Maryland. I grew up in Los Angeles. And we had stable family lives.

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