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I thought it was beautiful that the way that you honored your late wife super unique to be able,

I mean, to catch it, to help catch a serial killer.

I mean, all I did was Shepard that.

I mean, I handed that book over to an investigator and a journalist,

and go, please help me do this because I was still so, you know, wrecked, and they helped,

you know, they helped see it through. But she definitely, it was very, it was very funny. We all had

a lot of laughs watching at the press conference went, because

she came up with the name, the Golden State Killer.

Before that he didn't, and this is going to sound really sick, but another cop, this guy,

Paul Holes, was like, yeah, he was never given a cool name, and that does hamper investigations.

If there isn't a name that lands with the public, Zodiac, Nightstalker,

then sometimes these cases fade away. So when she came up with Golden State Killer,

something very evocative and weird and creepy about that name that she came up with,

that did help reopen the case. Now, obviously, yes, other investigators brought that case home. She also did

suggest using familial DNA, which they ended up doing, but whatever. But it was very funny to watch

them at these press comments that someone was like, what about the work of Michelle McNamara?

And he was like, Michelle and McNamara's work had nothing to do with us catching the Golden State

killer. And we're all like, you know. Michelle and McNamara's work had nothing to do with us catching the Golden State Killer.

And we're all like, you literally just use the name that helped.

Anyway, but yeah.

But that was like, that was like satisfying for us to watch. I mean, all of them, I mean, to the degree to find any funny around any of it is a tribute to your ability to find

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