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KERA's Think

The best life may not be the most comfortable

KERA's Think

KERA

Society & Culture, 071003, Kera, Think, Krysboyd

4.8861 Ratings

🗓️ 4 February 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Psychologists and philosophers have debated what makes a good life, traditionally focusing on the search for happiness and meaning. Recently, though, the quest for another sensation has entered the conversation: fulfillment. Shigehiro Oishi, Marshall Field IV Professor of Psychology at the University of Chicago, joins host Krys Boyd to discuss his concept of “psychological richness,” where curiosity and spontaneity provide the stimulation we need, and how this outlook can carry us even through the hardest patches of our lives. His book is “Life in Three Dimensions: How Curiosity, Exploration, and Experience Make a Fuller, Better Life.” 

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0:00.0

I have fond memories of this green curry I had a while back.

0:13.7

It somehow managed to balance the sweetness of coconut milk, the sourness of maybe tamarind,

0:20.0

the savory, salty umami of perfectly fried tofu,

0:23.4

the mild bitterness of basil and the spicy sting of chili in every single bite.

0:28.9

I would choose this curry over a sugar cube any day.

0:32.6

So why is it so easy to assume a sweet life, happy, easy, predictable, uncomplicated is always better than a more

0:40.7

complex existence. From KERA in Dallas, this is think. I'm Chris Boyd. My guest calls it a psychologically

0:48.9

rich existence, this mixed combination of experiences that can yield deep satisfaction, if not the same

0:55.4

buzzy euphoria as that metaphorical spoonful of sugar. He's noticed that most studies of what

1:00.8

makes a good life have focused on happiness or meaning, but he is eager for us to understand

1:05.9

those are not the only paths. Shigahiro Oishi is Marshall Field, the fourth professor of psychology at the

1:12.5

University of Chicago. His book is called Life in Three Dimensions, How Curiosity, Exploration, and

1:18.4

Experience make a Fuller, Better Life. Shiga, welcome to think. Thank you. You have thought about

1:25.5

this question of how to define a good life, in part because your

1:29.5

choices have been so different from your father and your grandfather and all your male ancestors

1:34.9

all the way back.

1:36.4

Will you tell us a little bit about that?

1:38.5

Yeah.

1:39.5

You know, I grew up in the rural area in Japan and my family was always a farmer.

1:46.7

And my father was the first son in this family.

1:50.2

So, you know, he took over his farm and never left.

1:55.9

And, you know, he lived his life, entire life, in the same village, and meeting with the same people,

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