I'm Natalie Moore. I fell in love with soap operas when I was just five years old, and I still

watch them. Their television's longest scripted series and have zero reruns. Now let me tell you,

soap operas aren't just some silly art form. They are significant. In this season of making,

Stories Without End from WB EZ Chicago.

Join me as I share how the genre began, their social impact, and why these stories endure.

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From WBEZ Chicago, this is Nerdette. I'm Greta Johnson. We did it. We made it to another weekend and another year is almost coming to an end, which means now is the perfect time to sit back, relax, and reflect on some of the best stuff that came out this year.

Later this month, we're going to talk about the best podcasts and TV shows of 2023. But today, it is all about books. And I am so excited about our guests for this one.

With us today, we have Andrew Limbong. He's a reporter on NPR's Arts Desk and hosts the

Book of the Day podcast. Andrew, hello. Yo, what's up? What's up? Thanks for having me.

Oh my gosh. Thrill to have you. Also here is Miwa Messer. She hosts Barnes & Noble's book

podcast, poured over. Miwa, hello.

Hi, it's so good to see you guys. Oh my gosh. What a treat. Okay, so since you all

are both like professional readers, I'm very curious how many books you read in a given year. Like, I mean, I assume you're

keeping track somehow, Andrew. Oh. Let me pop up the spreadsheet. You got a spreadsheet? Amazing.

Let's see. Drive. Let me not say my password. I mean, what you want to? That's fine.

44. 44. 44. Yeah. 44. Okay, that's fine. 44.

44.

Yeah.

44.

Okay.

That's nice.

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