Right from that very young age, when they first start getting into it as teenagers, they pour their feelings into pop songs.

And they were very intense young men.

They were of a generation where you didn't talk about your feelings that much.

You didn't go around kind of gushing, right?

Let's put it that way.

And you certainly didn't go to therapy.

That wasn't a thing.

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Quotes like garbage in, garbage out, or you are what you think, ring true.

And yet, for many of us, our thoughts don't strengthen or empower us. We tend toward negativity,

self-pity, jealousy, or fear. We see what we don't have instead of what we do. We think

things that hold us back and dampen our spirit.

But it's not just about thinking. Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent,

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people keep themselves moving in the right direction, how they feed their good wolf.

At different points in my life, I've been anywhere from just loving the Beatles to being unhealthily obsessed with them.

As a recovering heroin addict at 24, I bought into the whole John Lennon as troubled genius,

with Paul McCartney sort of his shallow

sidekick narrative. But what if those stories we tell ourselves about people are just that

stories? What if the truth is always more complex, more human, and ultimately more beautiful?

Today I'm talking with Ian Leslie about his wonderful book,

John and Paul, a love story in songs. We'll explore how two young men from Liverpool created

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